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Joe Rogan · 2024-10-24

Joe Rogan Experience #2217 - Brian Cox

Physicist Brian Cox and Joe Rogan explore black holes, the Fermi Paradox, what AI superintelligence might want, and the limits of human knowledge.

Joe Rogan Experience #2217 - Brian Cox
The guest

Brian Cox: British particle physicist, professor at the University of Manchester, and popular science broadcaster known for BBC series on the cosmos.

What this episode covers

Brian Cox opens by explaining recent progress on the black hole information paradox, including Hawking radiation, event horizons, and gravitational-wave detection via LIGO. He and Joe Rogan then turn to the Fermi Paradox and 'the great silence,' debating why we see no evidence of alien civilizations and whether complex biological life is extraordinarily rare. A long thread imagines what a Godlike artificial superintelligence would actually want, questioning whether curiosity, hope, and meaning are properties of biology or of intelligence itself. They cover cosmology fundamentals (inflation, dark matter, dark energy, the cosmic microwave background, James Webb's surprising early galaxies), the achievement of reusable rockets, and the dangers of political instability, money in democracy, social-media manipulation, and flat-earth conspiracy thinking.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Anthropic Cosmological Principle

John Barrow and Frank Tipler

“another great book... one of my favorite books actually”
“there another great book by John Barrow and Frank tippler called the anthropic cosmological principle from the 1980s it one of my favorite books actually”— Brian Cox

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Carl Sagan

“Carl Sean wrote a great book called The Demon Haunted World science of the candle you know that book”— Brian Cox
BookReferenced

The Value of Science

Richard Feynman

“there's a great essay I've probably talked to you about before called the value of science that he wrote 1955 you can get it online”— Brian Cox
MediaReferenced

Unknown Pleasures

Joy Division

“designed by a friend of mine Peter savel who's a great designer who designed the Joy Division Unknown Pleasures album cover”— Brian Cox
MediaReferenced

Contact

Robert Zemeckis

“that moment tell me that doesn't remind you of the movie contact it does”— Joe Rogan
ProductReferenced

Starlink

SpaceX

“they should try starlink starlink they should try it so they know space is real”— Joe Rogan
ProductReferenced

iPhone

Apple

“I got a new iPhone it's it has actually better it's got a few features one of the things that's very fascinating is I was in the mountains last week you can text message people with no one around”— Joe Rogan

Big reveals from this episode

  • Cox says Stephen Hawking's 1973-74 calculation that black holes destroy information was actually wrong, and untangling that error is driving today's theoretical progress.
  • In Einstein's general relativity, a black hole's singularity is better understood as the literal end of time rather than just an infinitely dense point.
  • Cox argues that if Earth is the only place with complex life in our galaxy, it may be the only place where meaning exists among 400 billion stars.
  • Astronomers call the total absence of alien signals 'the great silence,' and Cox says scientifically we have detected basically nothing compelling.
  • We detected gold being manufactured in a neutron-star collision using gravitational-wave and optical telescopes together.
  • Study of black holes suggests space and time are not fundamental but emerge from something like an entangled network of qubits.
  • Only about 5% of the universe is ordinary matter; roughly 25% is dark matter and 70% dark energy, and we don't know what either is.
  • James Webb is seeing galaxies that formed earlier than predicted, forcing astronomers to revise models of early-universe structure formation.

Worth remembering

  • The supermassive black hole in galaxy M87 is about 6 billion times the mass of the Sun, with a Schwarzschild radius larger than our solar system.
  • If you collapsed the Sun into a black hole, it would form once squeezed within about a 2-mile (3 km) radius.
  • LIGO's 4-kilometer laser beams detect spacetime distortions far smaller than the diameter of an atomic nucleus.
  • Hawking's equation for the temperature of a black hole is chiseled into his memorial stone on the floor of Westminster Abbey.
  • For about three billion of Earth's four billion years of life, life was single-celled; multicellular life is a relatively recent latecomer.
  • Mars's spin axis has wobbled by around 60 degrees; Earth's unusually large Moon stabilizes our spin axis and helps complex life.
  • The cosmic microwave background is a photograph of the universe's afterglow about 380,000 years after the Big Bang.
  • Brian Schmidt discovered the universe's accelerating expansion in the 1990s, assumed it was an error, published anyway, and won a Nobel Prize.
  • SpaceX caught a returning rocket booster bigger than a skyscraper, a feat Cox initially mistook for CGI.
  • Some flat-earth believers tie their views to a biblical 'firmament' and claim space itself is fake.