The guest
Matt McCusker & Shane Gillis: Stand-up comedians and co-hosts of 'Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast'; longtime friends who came up together in the Philadelphia and New York comedy scenes.
What this episode covers
Joe Rogan hosts comedians Matt McCusker and Shane Gillis for a loose, three-hour comedy hang with no real throughline. They open on marriage, divorce and climate-change skepticism before spiraling into pro wrestling lore, video-game addiction, and a long thread on Adderall, drinking and quitting porn. Matt opens up about his past selling drugs, getting robbed at gunpoint twice, and a brief stint as a teenage realtor, while Shane tells lonely-on-the-road comedy stories. The back half covers SSRIs and the questioned serotonin theory of depression, super-normal stimuli, the Philadelphia Parking Authority, runaway truck ramps, and the comedy road life.
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Big reveals from this episode
- Matt admits he was a drug dealer who quit after panic attacks at 23 forced him to reassess his life.
- Matt describes somehow getting his hands on 'jugs' of Watson pharmaceutical Vicodin.
- Matt says he was robbed at gunpoint twice, once by his own supplier who later went to jail.
- Matt recounts becoming a 19-year-old realtor and crying in his car after deals fell through.
- Shane says he decided early in Covid not to be afraid, based on death-rate data, over his wife's objections.
- Shane discusses quitting porn since August and the temptation of the hotel-room 'final frontier'.
- Joe describes the brutal multi-day screaming voiceover sessions for the EA UFC video game.
- Matt details his long-running beef with the Philadelphia Parking Authority repossessing his cars.
Worth remembering
- The Toba super-volcano ~70,000 years ago may have knocked humanity down to a few thousand people.
- The mocked 'dog general' military photo traces back to a satirical American Conservative piece.
- Hollow-point bullets predate, and are not actually banned by, the Geneva Convention.
- Biden was caught lying about his law-school rank, ranking 76th of 85, not the top half.
- The serotonin 'chemical imbalance' theory of depression is not supported by the evidence.
- Megan Phelps left Westboro Baptist Church after a man argued scripture with her on Twitter, then married him.
- Super-normal stimuli: butterflies will devote their lives to over-saturated fake color, like junk food or porn for humans.
- Philadelphia made Uber pay roughly $250k a year as taxi-medallion values collapsed.
- The PPA pulls in about $264 million a year, much of it from parking tickets.
- Pfizer's CEO later framed two vaccine doses as little protection and a third as merely 'reasonable'.
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