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Overcoming Depression, Burnout, Anxiety and Insomnia with Dan Murray-Serter | E54

Heights founder Dan Murray-Serter on overcoming depression, burnout, anxiety and insomnia, ayahuasca, and building a brain-care brand.

Overcoming Depression, Burnout, Anxiety and Insomnia with Dan Murray-Serter | E54
The guest

Dan Murray-Serter: Entrepreneur and co-founder of the brain-care supplement brand Heights, host of the Secret Leaders podcast, previously founder of the fashion app Grabble.

What this episode covers

Dan Murray-Serter walks Steven Bartlett through his sequence of mental health struggles: a buried teenage bulimia, depression after his father's death, burnout while running his failed startup Grabble, and six months of anxiety-driven insomnia. He describes how repeated ayahuasca ceremonies reshaped his beliefs, cured his depression and removed his fear of death, and how a dietitian's omega-3, B-vitamin and blueberry-extract advice cured his insomnia and inspired him to start Heights. The conversation ranges over imposter syndrome, personal branding, scheduling habits to prevent burnout, and treating a marriage like a business with OKRs and habit trackers. They close on death, happiness versus fulfillment, and Dan's ideal dinner-party guests.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommendedISBN verified

Sex at Dawn

Christopher Ryan

“i highly recommend you read it”
“i told you about this book sex at dawn i highly recommend you read it so i had been telling myself the story”— Dan Murray-Serter
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Meditations

Marcus Aurelius

“big fan of meditations, i read it again every year, such a great reminder”
“marcus aurelius i would say one big fan of meditations ... i read it again every year it takes like an hour to read”— Dan Murray-Serter
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Rest

Alex Soojung-Kim Pang

“i read an amazing book called rest, brilliant book much better than why we sleep”
“i read an amazing book called rest by alex song yam ping i think his name is um brilliant book much better than why we sleep”— Dan Murray-Serter

The guest's own work

ProductBy the guest

Heights

Heights

“we launched january the 6th in a pandemic well not in a pandemic yet ... and so i started heights”— Dan Murray-Serter
MediaBy the guest

Secret Leaders

Dan Murray-Serter

“you've got a great podcast secret leaders you've got a new podcast as well which is centered around your brand heights”— Steven Bartlett

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

BookReferencedISBN verified

How to Change Your Mind

Michael Pollan

“there's a great book by michael pollan called um how to change your mind and in it he talks about this problem with psychedelics”— Steven Bartlett
BookReferencedISBN verified

Indistractable

Nir Eyal

“i had near l on this podcast and he talked about he writes the book indestructible he talks about how he will literally schedule time”— Steven Bartlett
BookReferencedISBN verified

Happy Sexy Millionaire

Steven Bartlett

“i've just finished writing my book um not trying to plug it although happy sexy millionaires happy sexy millionaire available on all bookshelves”— Dan Murray-Serter
ProductReferenced

Calm

Calm

“i used all the apps calm sleepio i tried you know uh cutting out alcohol”— Dan Murray-Serter
ProductReferenced

Sleepio

Sleepio

“i used all the apps calm sleepio i tried you know uh cutting out alcohol i tried drinking much more alcohol”— Dan Murray-Serter
MediaReferenced

Casefile

Casefile Presents

“she'll listen to case file on repeat oh my god is she a case firefighter oh man if i hear that australian pricks”— Dan Murray-Serter
MediaReferenced

They Walk Among Us

They Walk Among Us

“there's a uk one called they walk amongst her i'm obsessed with true crime yeah so is she”— Dan Murray-Serter
MediaReferenced

The Mask

“like last night we watched the mask together right like we will watch something like you know trashy fun whatever”— Dan Murray-Serter

Big reveals from this episode

  • Dan reveals he had bulimia for about four years in his twenties, throwing up involuntarily, a story he had buried and never told publicly until a recent newsletter.
  • He once coughed a hole in his throat (a pneumomediastinum) at a festival, his head swelled, and he spent a week in intensive care.
  • His only real depressive episode followed his father's death, after his dad survived six months on life support only to die of a cold caught in recovery.
  • Ayahuasca flipped him from a cynical atheist to spiritually 'enlightened'; he has now done it about 12 times, going back roughly every year.
  • He had insomnia for six months waking at 2am unable to sleep, and a dietitian's three supplements (omega-3, B vitamins, blueberry extract) fixed it within two weeks.
  • Dan and his wife spent their first year together non-monogamous and have openly discussed reopening the relationship in future if attraction fades.
  • Steven shares a never-before-told story of ending a relationship with an intellectually perfect, gorgeous partner because the sexual chemistry simply wasn't there.

Worth remembering

  • Dan grew up Jewish and notes Judaism is both a race and a religion, so you can lose the religion but keep the cultural identity.
  • Ayahuasca is tree sap from the Amazon, practiced for thousands of years, and shamans hold a legal license to administer it.
  • Heights began as a weekly newsletter where Dan distilled one science paper at a time; he had read over 100 papers in about 100 weeks.
  • Dan's number one health hack is an undistracted daily walk, through which he gets through roughly 50 books a year via audio.
  • The human brain is about 60 percent fat, and roughly 90 percent of that fat is the compound DHA.
  • The minimum legal omega-3 dose to matter is around 250mg, but Seven Seas allegedly puts only 45mg in its bestseller, so you'd need six days' worth for one day's dose.
  • Dan frames his life through the Japanese concept of ikigai and honeymooned in Japan after discovering it.
  • He and his wife apply OKRs to their marriage, breaking goals into mind, body and soul with a nightly habit tracker.