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Tim Ferriss · 2022-02-17

How to Tame Your Inner Critic | Anne Lamott

Anne Lamott on taming the inner critic, radical self-care, writing badly on purpose, recovery, prayer, and turning pain into medicine.

How to Tame Your Inner Critic | Anne Lamott
The guest

Anne Lamott: Best-selling author of 19 books including the writing classic 'Bird by Bird' and faith essay collections like 'Traveling Mercies.' A Sunday school teacher, recovering alcoholic, and Guggenheim fellow known for blending candor, humor, and spirituality.

What this episode covers

Tim Ferriss interviews author Anne Lamott, opening with how 'Bird by Bird' rescued his own near-breakdown while writing 'The 4-Hour Workweek.' Lamott unpacks her core writing teachings, shitty first drafts, the one-inch picture frame, taking it 'bird by bird,' and turning down the self-critical 'KFKD radio.' She shares deeply personal stories of a people-pleasing childhood, 35 years of sobriety after a three-day blackout, and several dark nights of the soul that catalyzed her practice of radical self-care. The conversation ranges across prayer, anxiety, her husband Neal Allen's inner-critic work, welcoming disowned parts of herself to dinner, and the title and themes of her book 'Dusk, Night, Dawn.' Both share raw moments, including Tim's own past suicidal period, illustrating how vulnerability and storytelling become medicine.

Recommended on this episode

MediaRecommended

How to Human (Hello Humans podcast)

Sam Lamott

“so i do want to encourage people to check that out”
“i recently listened to his episode on the how to human podcast and people can find many interviews online at hellohumans.co”— Tim Ferriss
BookRecommended

Love in the Time of Cholera

Gabriel Garcia Marquez

“i always loved this novel”
“i always loved this novel by gabriel garcia marquez called love in the time of cholera”— Anne Lamott
MediaRecommended

Spirited Away

Hayao Miyazaki

“it's just a mesmerizing fantastical film and it's so deeply layered”
“an animated movie called spirited away by hayao miyazaki it's just a mesmerizing fantastical film and it's so deeply layered”— Tim Ferriss
MediaRecommended

Babe

“i came to really appreciate babe it is it is a nuanced hilarious movie”
“babe about farmer hoggett and the linda pig and i came to really appreciate babe it is it is a nuanced hilarious movie”— Tim Ferriss
MediaRecommended

A Prophet (Un prophete)

Jacques Audiard

“i think is really beautifully shot and packed full of lessons”
“there's a movie called the prophet i don't speak french but it's french i think is really beautifully shot and packed full of lessons”— Tim Ferriss
MediaRecommended

The Mission

Roland Joffe

“it is one of the most profound moments i've ever seen in my life”
“it's called the mission and it is one of the most profound moments i've ever seen in my life”— Anne Lamott
MediaRecommended

Bab'Aziz: The Prince That Contemplated His Soul

Nacer Khemir

“a movie i've made sam and my grandchild watch that that changed my life”
“there's a movie i've made sam and my grandchild watch that that changed my life it's called babazis the persian movie”— Anne Lamott
MediaRecommended

The Godfather

“i love the godfather”
“there's many movies i mean i love the godfather and i love i've completely turned on woody allen”— Anne Lamott

The guest's own work

BookBy the guestISBN verified

Operating Instructions: A Journal of My Son's First Year

Anne Lamott

“her beloved and best-selling books like operating instructions an account of her son's first year”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guest

Bird by Bird: Some Instructions on Writing and Life

Anne Lamott

“bird by bird her classic book on writing and i will have a fair amount to say about that”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Help, Thanks, Wow: The Three Essential Prayers

Anne Lamott

“and help thanks wow a celebration of prayer lamont delves into what makes us human”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Traveling Mercies: Some Thoughts on Faith

Anne Lamott

“she is the author of several essay collections on faith including traveling mercies grace parenthetically eventually and plan b”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Grace (Eventually): Thoughts on Faith

Anne Lamott

“several essay collections on faith including traveling mercies grace parenthetically eventually and plan b”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Plan B: Further Thoughts on Faith

Anne Lamott

“several essay collections on faith including traveling mercies grace parenthetically eventually and plan b”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Imperfect Birds

Anne Lamott

“as well as several novels including imperfect birds blue shoe and rosie”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Blue Shoe

Anne Lamott

“as well as several novels including imperfect birds blue shoe and rosie”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guest

Rosie

Anne Lamott

“as well as several novels including imperfect birds blue shoe and rosie”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Dusk, Night, Dawn: On Revival and Courage

Anne Lamott

“her most recent book is dusk night dawn subtitle on revival and courage”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The 4-Hour Workweek

Tim Ferriss

“when i was working on my first book four hour work week the blessing and curse that that title has always been”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guest

Almost Everything: Notes on Hope

Anne Lamott

“my last book the book before this was called almost everything thoughts on hope”— Anne Lamott

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

MediaReferenced

Bird by Bird with Annie

Freida Lee Mock

“the subject of academy award-winning filmmaker freda mock's documentary bird by bird with annie”— Tim Ferriss
BookReferencedISBN verified

Shapes of Truth: Discover God Inside You

Neal Allen

“i'll just mention my husband's work here he's uh neil allen he wrote shapes of truth and the work he does with people”— Anne Lamott
ProductReferenced

IKEA

IKEA

“if the abyss threatens to you you get ikea and you buy a cute throw rug you know”— Anne Lamott
BookReferencedISBN verified

King Kong

“when he was uh eight or nine we were watching king kong the jessica lang remake”— Anne Lamott
BookReferenced

Marrow: A Love Story

Elizabeth Lesser

“she had written a book about the miracle of telling people the truth and it ended up being a book about that that's published marrow it's called”— Anne Lamott
ProductReferenced

M&M's

Mars

“and then we got a bag of eminem so we drove around town listening to the beatles and eating m m's and we both got so happy”— Anne Lamott
MediaReferenced

Bird by Bird with Annie

Freida Lee Mock

“freda mock who'd made the academy award-winning documentary about maya lin and the vietnam memorial wall in dc”— Anne Lamott
BookReferenced

One Hundred Years of Solitude

Gabriel Garcia Marquez

“thousand thousand years of solitude or 100 years of solitude one of those it takes a village but uh 100 years of solitude”— Anne Lamott
MediaReferenced

Shaun of the Dead

“for the first book the movies were shawn of the dead which is a comedy and the born identity”— Tim Ferriss
MediaReferenced

The Bourne Identity

“the movies were shawn of the dead which is a comedy and the born identity the firstborn identity”— Tim Ferriss
MediaReferenced

Casino Royale

“the two movies were casino royale the james bond film and then babe about farmer hoggett and the linda pig”— Tim Ferriss
MediaReferenced

My Octopus Teacher

“you saw my octopus teacher right i did i did”— Anne Lamott

Big reveals from this episode

  • Tim reveals 'Bird by Bird' was a 'life raft' that helped him finish 'The 4-Hour Workweek' after a near-complete nervous breakdown mid-writing.
  • Lamott describes her July 1986 three-day blackout (July 4-6) that bottomed her out and led to 35 years of sobriety, when 'grace found her.'
  • She recounts the dark night driving into the woods screaming, then her mentor telling her she finally saw that everyone else was her priority, the breakthrough into radical self-care.
  • Lamott tells of holding a sharpened pencil to her addicted son Sam's throat, kicking him off the property, before he got clean, now 10 years sober.
  • Tim discloses his own past: a planned suicide a week away, interrupted only because a library postcard about a euthanasia book was misrouted to his mother's house.
  • Lamott explains finding her 'inner Donald Trump,' inner Blanche DuBois, and inner Jane, welcoming disowned, shameful parts of herself 'to the table for soup' as a path to wholeness.
  • She reveals the meaning behind the title 'Dusk, Night, Dawn', written for audiences who felt no hope amid Trump and climate despair, insisting the dawn always comes.

Worth remembering

  • 'Bird by Bird' comes from Lamott's father comforting her overwhelmed brother on a school bird report: 'just take it bird by bird, buddy.'
  • Lamott cites E.L. Doctorow's line that writing is like driving at night with headlights on, you only see a little ways ahead but can make the whole journey.
  • Her husband Neal Allen wrote 'Shapes of Truth' and teaches taming the inner critic by giving it a new job as 'ethical consultant' who waits in a library.
  • 'KFKD radio' (K-F-k'd) is Lamott's term from 'Bird by Bird' for the constant self-critical broadcast playing in your head 24/7.
  • Tom Weston's 'five rules of being human' Lamott shares, escalating shame rules ending with 'if you insist on showing up, have the decency to be ashamed.'
  • Lamott now writes in 45-minute 'pods,' joking the math means a 45-minute pod yields about 30 minutes of actual writing.
  • Tim explains we don't recognize our own recorded voice because we normally hear it through skull and jawbone vibration combined with the sound.
  • Lamott quotes a 1935 priest who told AA founder Bill Wilson, 'sometimes I think that heaven is just a new pair of glasses.'
  • 'Dusk, Night, Dawn' was conceived as a riff on Garcia Marquez's 'Love in the Time of Cholera', soul and hope 'in the time of Trump and climate papers.'
  • Lamott shares a woman with recurrent oral cancer who waved away worry saying 'God's got it', words Lamott had engraved on a gold coin she wears.