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Joe Rogan Experience #2387 - Gregg Braden

Gregg Braden argues humans are an engineered species being stripped of our 'divinity' by technology, and ties it to Mars ruins, DNA, and climate.

Joe Rogan Experience #2387 - Gregg Braden
The guest

Gregg Braden: Bestselling Hay House author, geologist and former Fortune 500 / DoD computer-science problem-solver who writes about the science-spirituality intersection, human DNA, and consciousness.

What this episode covers

Joe Rogan and Gregg Braden range across nearly three hours of fringe-to-frontier territory. Braden contends that anomalous structures on Mars and the Moon, plus 'impossible' fusions in human chromosomes 2 and 7, point to an intelligent intervention rather than ordinary Darwinian evolution. He frames current events, AI, transhumanism, digital IDs, social-media algorithms and the climate agenda, as an ancient struggle to deny humans their 'divinity,' the capacity for imagination, empathy and self-regulation. He offers HeartMath-style heart-brain coherence as a practical, science-backed counter-practice, and closes on a hopeful note that humanity may be on the verge of walking away from war.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Prophet

Kahlil Gibran

“I read it to this day”
“It was by a man named Khalil Gabbron. It's called the prophet. And I read it to this day and there are different pieces that mean different things to me throughout my life.”— Gregg Braden

The guest's own work

BookBy the guest

Gregg Braden's new book

Gregg Braden

“they'll create jets from the center... that actually move them out of the way. And I talk about I've got a new book and I talk about that in the new book.”— Gregg Braden

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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Earth Under Fire

Paul LaViolette

“Paul Leviolet in the 1980s... Wrote a book called Earth Under Fire that was ridiculed a lot in the 80s.”— Gregg Braden
BookReferencedISBN verified

Rules for Radicals

Saul Alinsky

“Are you familiar with Saul Alinsky?... Rules for radicals. This is exactly what it's following.”— Gregg Braden
BookReferenced

The Gospel of Thomas

Didymus Judas Thomas

“the gospel of Thomas is one of the probably the most controversial. It's 114 sayings that were recorded by Thomas”— Gregg Braden
MediaReferenced

Jurassic Park

Steven Spielberg

“If you ever saw the first Jurassic Park where they pulled the DNA out of the the fossilized remains of ancient forms of life”— Gregg Braden
MediaReferenced

Pong

Atari

“Do you remember when you were a kid a game called Pong? Pong was It came I think it came out in 72.”— Gregg Braden
MediaReferenced

Star Trek

Gene Roddenberry

“without the war in space, you have no Star Trek, you know, you have no Star Wars.”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

Star Wars

George Lucas

“without the war in space, you have no Star Trek, you know, you have no Star Wars.”— Joe Rogan
ProductReferenced

Minoxidil

Johnson & Johnson

“if you have minoxidal like if you got like really good at it today and there's a bunch of different DHT inhibitors that are topical”— Joe Rogan

Big reveals from this episode

  • Braden claims human chromosome 2 is the product of a telomere-to-telomere fusion that 'does not happen in nature,' suggesting intelligent intervention ~200,000 years ago.
  • Says China has pledged to televise live whatever it finds on the lunar surface, breaking a Cold War US-USSR secrecy pact.
  • Reveals he lost his mother to COVID and uses her 'world's going to hell in a handbasket' line to frame the whole conversation.
  • Recounts a business meeting with a person he calls 'pure evil' who he says made him say things he couldn't stop, prompting Rogan to push back on personal responsibility.
  • Argues humans are NOT the primary driver of climate change, citing ice cores where temperature rises before CO2.
  • Claims meeting global climate goals would push Earth toward dangerously low CO2 (~180ppm) and a 10-degree cooling, which he says is bad for life.
  • Predicts this generation may 'walk away from war', 'what happens if they throw a war and nobody goes?'

Worth remembering

  • The hippocampus produces new brain cells until our last breath, but unused new cells atrophy and die within 7-10 days, 'use it or lose it.'
  • A 2022 experiment had isolated neurons in a petri dish learn to play Pong with no human attached, which Braden frames as proof of a 'field.'
  • He claims the body's ~50 trillion cells at ~0.07 volts each total roughly 3.5 trillion volts of electrical potential.
  • Tibetan monks reportedly drove brain states from 40Hz up past 200Hz ('hyper gamma') and down to 0.5Hz through breath and focus alone.
  • Scientists found ~40,000 sensory neurons in the human heart in 1991 that think, feel and process independently of the brain.
  • HeartMath's three-step heart-brain coherence (focus on heart, slow exhale-longer breathing, feel gratitude) targets a 0.1Hz state and ~1,300 positive biochemical reactions.
  • Braden touts thorium (element 90) reactors as clean energy that can't melt down or be weaponized, allegedly suppressed for that reason.
  • He links Earth's warming to ~12,500-year cosmic-ray cycles heating the core from below, tied to the Younger Dryas, citing Randall Carlson.
  • Cites a 'journal of soft computing' claim that 3D human DNA acts as a fractal antenna tuning to a broad spectrum of signals.