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Joe Rogan Experience #1896 - Bjorn Lomborg

Bjorn Lomborg argues climate change is a real but manageable problem, and panic leads to costly, ineffective policies that ignore bigger global threats.

Joe Rogan Experience #1896 - Bjorn Lomborg
The guest

Bjorn Lomborg: Danish political scientist, economist, and author of False Alarm; president of the Copenhagen Consensus Center, known for cost-benefit analysis of climate and development policy.

What this episode covers

Lomborg makes the case that global warming is man-made and real, but not the end of the world, and that fear-driven narratives push wasteful policies. He repeatedly stresses trade-offs: plastics, fracking, nuclear power, organic farming, and net-zero all carry both costs and benefits. Using charts on cold vs. heat deaths, hurricane landfalls, malaria, sea-level adaptation, and malnutrition, he argues the world is getting better but slightly slower because of climate. His prescription is innovation in green energy R&D plus spending smartly on neglected problems like tuberculosis, education, and poverty rather than ineffective carbon-cutting mandates. Joe Rogan pushes back hard on water pollution from fracking and the ethics of accepting environmental damage for economic gain.

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Jew (comedy special)

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Porsche 911 Turbo

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“cars like a Porsche Turbo which is a very efficient car and has incredible air filters and the air coming out the exhaust”— Joe Rogan

The guest's own work

BookBy the guest

False Alarm: How Climate Change Panic Costs Us Trillions, Hurts the Poor, and Fails to Fix the Planet

Bjorn Lomborg

“so false alarm is your book how climate change Panic costs us trillions hurts the poor and fails to fix the planet”— Joe Rogan
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Prioritizing Development: A Cost-Benefit Analysis of the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals

Bjorn Lomborg

“that's the other book I brought you prioritizing development yes ah see so this is this is basically this is what my day job really is”— guest

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Tesla

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Big reveals from this episode

  • In 1900 average global life expectancy was 32 years; last year it was 74, and it rises about three months for every year you live.
  • A Lancet study found rising temperatures save about 166,000 lives a year because far more people die from cold than heat.
  • Lomborg claims roughly 170,000 Americans die from cold each year and 4.5 million worldwide, mostly older people in under-heated homes.
  • US fracking cut the country's CO2 emissions more than any other nation by replacing coal with gas, which emits half as much CO2 per unit of energy.
  • Going net zero would cost nearly six trillion dollars a year globally, about two-thirds of total global tax intake.
  • The US produces about 12 percent of global CO2; zeroing it out would lower end-of-century temperatures by only 0.3 degrees Fahrenheit.
  • Tuberculosis has killed about a billion people over 200 years and still kills 1.5 million yearly, yet could be largely solved for about three billion dollars a year.
  • Lomborg advocates teaching-at-the-right-level with tablets, which can deliver three years of schooling in one year for about twenty dollars per student.

Worth remembering

  • Adding lead to gasoline made engines run smoother but cost entire urban populations an estimated three to five IQ points.
  • About three billion people cook and heat with dirty fuels, giving indoor air pollution equivalent to smoking two packs of cigarettes a day.
  • A Danish study measuring roadside air pollution found its biggest spikes came not from traffic but from a neighbor lighting candles.
  • The world's deadliest hurricane hit Bangladesh in 1970, killing 300,000 to 500,000 people, largely due to poor preparation and communication.
  • Babcock Ranch, a solar-powered off-grid Florida community, came through Hurricane Ian with internet and electricity intact.
  • New nuclear plants in France, Finland, and the UK ran two to four times over budget, making them more expensive than solar or wind.
  • Boston's Big Dig started at 2.6 billion dollars, ended at 14.8 billion, and finished in 2007, decades behind schedule.
  • RuPaul's partner owns roughly 66,000 acres in Wyoming leased to oil companies, with 35-plus active wells found on just 10,000 acres.
  • White Oak Pastures regenerative farm claims a carbon footprint 111 percent lower than conventional beef, sequestering 919 tons of CO2 in soil.
  • US landfalling hurricanes from 1900 to 2022 show a slightly decreasing trend, with the apparent rise driven by starting counts in the low-1980s.