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Tim Ferriss · 2021-07-28

How to Play Offense with Money — Ramit Sethi, Author of "I Will Teach You to Be Rich"

Ramit Sethi shares the questions, exercises, and psychology shifts couples need to align on money and play offense.

How to Play Offense with Money — Ramit Sethi, Author of "I Will Teach You to Be Rich"
The guest

Ramit Sethi: Author of the New York Times bestseller 'I Will Teach You to Be Rich' and a personal-finance educator who has reached tens of millions. He hosts the podcast 'I Will Teach You to Be Rich,' featuring real stories about love and money from behind closed doors.

What this episode covers

Tim Ferriss and Ramit Sethi dig into the psychology of money within relationships, exploring why a certain net worth never magically changes how people feel about spending. Ramit walks through the specific questions he uses with couples, the 'rich life' visioning exercise, and the structure of a monthly financial check-in. They discuss overspenders, cheap people, and savers who can't enjoy their money, plus the family scripts that drive all of it. The conversation closes on practical tools like the $100 challenge and the outsized emotional power of generous tipping.

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Gottman Institute

“i'm a big fan of the gottman institute ... it was really worth it”
“i'm a big fan of the gottman institute and my wife and i took a class there for an entire weekend and it was really worth it”— Ramit Sethi

The guest's own work

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I Will Teach You to Be Rich

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“he's author of the new york times bestseller i will teach you to be rich has helped tens of millions of people live a rich life”— Tim Ferriss
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“his new podcast i will teach you to be rich by ramit sethi reveals real stories about love and money from behind closed doors”— Tim Ferriss
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The 4-Hour Workweek

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“when you think back to four hour work week and some of the analyses you did right you can tell you love the spreadsheet”— Ramit Sethi

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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Whole Foods

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“i had a young woman whose rich life was i want to shop at whole foods without counting the prices of whatever i buy”— Ramit Sethi
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Gilt (Gilt Group)

“do you remember that site guilt guilt.com i do okay yeah guilt group exactly so i at one point i signed up”— Tim Ferriss
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Taco Bell

“well i don't you know i'm fine i just eat a taco bell listen i ate at taco bell a long time myself it's great okay”— Tim Ferriss
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FedEx

“besides besides the luggage concierge aka fedex yeah great question so so my number would be bigger than 100”— Ramit Sethi

Big reveals from this episode

  • Ramit's opening question for couples: in the last 30 days, can you think of a specific situation where you were not on the same page financially with your partner.
  • When people say they got divorced over money, it wasn't fighting over seven dollars at Target but small disagreements that calcified over 25 years.
  • In the bucket-list dollar exercise, Ramit advised choosing the bigger number to play offense rather than defense, since they had years to save for it.
  • Ramit and his wife hold a roughly 30-minute monthly financial check-in with a third party, spending five minutes on expenses and the rest on rich-life goals and a backlog.
  • The wrong way to confront an overspending partner is demanding control of their spending; the better way is sharing a curiosity-driven rich-life vision first.
  • Ramit says he can fix investments, money psychology, and businesses, but he cannot fix cheap unless the person wants to change.
  • The $100 challenge: in the next 48 hours spend $100 on something you love, not on kids, pets, or charity; high earners scale up the number.
  • A surprising pattern: stress is not correlated to the amount of debt, illustrated by a calm, in-love couple carrying about $600,000 of educational debt.

Worth remembering

  • Ramit observes that the people he speaks to who are in the most severe debt are veterinarians.
  • A friend who obsessively price-compares organic groceries across two browser tabs had an $8 million net worth.
  • A couple on Manhattan's Lower East Side earning $330,000 a year and saving heavily had no idea whether they were doing well or badly.
  • Ramit was inspired by Stephen King's National Book Award speech, where King and his wife cried over the check from his first book deal in their trailer.
  • One of Ramit's own indulgent rich-life desires is shipping his luggage (about $100) so he never has to carry a bag through an airport.
  • A couple fought for nine months over a $100 monthly contribution while paying $3,800 rent on a $70,000 income and were actually two months from bankruptcy.
  • A cashmere blanket Ramit ordered from Gilt turned out to be a newborn swaddle the size of a facial washcloth, so he returned it.
  • Ramit told a 38-year-old couple they would have over $26 million by their 60s, then challenged when they would ever actually spend it.
  • At 14 or 15, Tim watched Billy Joel tip $20 for a coffee and ask about Christie Brinkley, an experience that shaped his view of generosity.
  • Ramit and his wife added a 'tipping' line item to their budget, set high enough that it pulls them toward tipping more than they normally would.