Kurt Metzger: American stand-up comedian and writer known for his work on Comedy Central's 'Inside Amy Schumer' and for his conspiracy-laden, free-associative comedic style. A longtime friend of Rogan and a regular on the comedy and podcast circuit.
What this episode covers
This is a loose, rambling, conspiracy-heavy conversation rather than a structured interview. Rogan and Metzger open by mocking the Trump meme coin and crypto culture (with a running 'Hawk Tuah coin' joke), then spiral into theories about political blackmail, the intelligence community, and Roy Cohn. They cover MK-Ultra and government chemical-spraying experiments on US cities, the origins of gold as currency and Zecharia Sitchin's Anunnaki theory, the Prussian public-school system as social control, and the propaganda role of the modern CIA and media. The back half drifts into UFO disclosure, the 1984 Olympics fake-alien stunt, Charles Hall's 'Tall Whites' aliens, and military psychological-operations recruiting films from Fort Bragg. It is far more a freewheeling riff on power, control, and skepticism than a product- or recommendation-driven episode.
Recommended on this episode
Real Genius
Martha Coolidge
“is it real genius with Al Kilmer from the yeah from the '80s ... good [ __ ] movie dude really yeah I really like it”— Kurt Metzger
Landman
Taylor Sheridan
“I'm watching L man later tonight it's a good show ... I like it because it gives you a real education from the petroleum industry”— Kurt Metzger
Celtic Sea Salt
Selina Naturally
“you should put salt in your water in the morning take some Celtic salt sprinkle it in some hot water in the morning and put it like squeeze a little lemon in there it's good for you”— Joe Rogan
Also referenced (named, not recommended)
Black Gold Stranglehold
Jerome Corsi and Craig Smith
“I read a book in like God it was probably like the 90s called Black Gold strangle hold it's a crazy book”— Joe Rogan
The 12th Planet
Zecharia Sitchin
“we're essentially designed to mine gold for this alien race that needs it to protect their environment ... this is in Zechariah cens the 12th Planet”— Joe Rogan
Egyptian Magic
E. A. Wallis Budge
“Wallace budge the guy that supposedly Indiana Jones ... he wrote a malice has the book it's Egyptian black magic or something”— Kurt Metzger
Marco Polo
Netflix
“they called the old man in the mountain it's uh they show in the Marco Polo Netflix series the old man”— Kurt Metzger
There Will Be Blood
Paul Thomas Anderson
“they get possessed by a character like Daniel D Lewis and There Will Be Blood yes that guy is possessed by that character”— Joe Rogan
Rules for Radicals
Saul Alinsky
“Rules for Radicals you ever read that book Glen Beck used to bring it up”— Kurt Metzger
The Manchurian Candidate
John Frankenheimer
“this is what started the mind control race and The Manchurian Candidate and all those movies was these soldiers wouldn't come back”— Kurt Metzger
Walking with the Tall Whites
Charles James Hall
“walking with walking with the tall WI I know what I'm watching tonight”— Joe Rogan
Big reveals from this episode
- They claim the Trump meme coin was briefly 'worth' $36 billion before crashing toward $5 billion, framing it as legalized degenerate gambling.
- Metzger argues regulation of crypto is really an oligarch power-grab to become 'Boss Hog' of the market.
- Tells the story that 'tinfoil hat' originated from Leonard Kyle, a man the CIA allegedly implanted with a brain chip.
- They read out Operation Sea-Spray and St. Louis tests where the US military secretly sprayed bacteria and chemicals over American cities.
- Metzger claims Obama's 2012-era Smith-Mundt Modernization Act made it legal for the government to propagandize US citizens.
- Lays out Sitchin's theory that humans were engineered by aliens to mine gold to repair their atmosphere.
- Claims the term 'conspiracy theory' was popularized by CIA's Allen Dulles after the JFK assassination to discredit doubters.
- They read that the widely-taught 'War of the Worlds suicides' story is largely a myth with no documented evidence.
Worth remembering
- Metzger frames child-rearing as 'base reality' programming, arguing schools separate kids from parents to reshape them.
- Explains the word 'assassin' derives from 'hashish' and the Old Man of the Mountain's drugged-paradise recruitment of young killers.
- Recounts that the Nobel Prize was created after Alfred Nobel was mistakenly called 'the Merchant of Death' in a premature obituary.
- Operation Sea-Spray: the US Navy sprayed Serratia marcescens over San Francisco in 1950, sickening residents and killing at least one.
- Gold can be beaten extraordinarily thin, which is offered as the reason it became valued and gold-plating works.
- They read from the declassified CIA 'Simple Sabotage Field Manual' on clogging organizations with meetings and bureaucracy.
- Claims the actor who played Boss Hog on 'Dukes of Hazzard' spoke five languages, went to Yale, and was Skull and Bones.
- Asserts the Earth is greener now than 100 years ago because higher CO2 feeds plant growth.
- Describes the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics opening ceremony's staged 'alien' stunt with a man in a tall suit and a flying-saucer prop.
- Cites that founders of Mexico's Zetas drug gang trained in Special Forces techniques at Fort Bragg.