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Joe Rogan · 2024-06-27

Joe Rogan Experience #2102 - Will Storr

Will Storr explains how the human drive for status secretly powers cults, extremism, social media, and even our deepest beliefs.

Joe Rogan Experience #2102 - Will Storr
The guest

Will Storr: British journalist and author of The Status Game, Selfie, and The Heretics, who studies the psychology of status, storytelling, and belief.

What this episode covers

Joe Rogan and author Will Storr unpack the central thesis of Storr's book The Status Game: humans crave connection into groups and then status within them, and the brain will believe whatever earns those rewards. They apply this lens to cults, religions, communism, Nazism, the satanic panic, the woke movement, suicide bombers, and modern social media. Storr argues status is a genuine biological need whose absence makes people physically and mentally ill, and that violence, depression, and radicalization often trace back to status loss. They close on how to inoculate people against ideological capture by holding beliefs loosely.

Recommended on this episode

MediaRecommended

Downfall

“it's incredible it's a super realistic; it's an incredible incredible film”
“did you know the film downfall no as a German film it's incredible it's a super realistic account of the last seven days of Hitler's life”— guest Will Storr

The guest's own work

BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Status Game

Will Storr

“I think your book is the status game that's right yeah and I think what's really interesting about what you're talking about”— Joe Rogan
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Selfie

Will Storr

“when I was doing my research for my book selfie I was sort of because I was interested to know like if you change the rules of the status game”— guest Will Storr
BookBy the guest

The Heretics (US title: The Unpersuaded)

Will Storr

“one of my stories that I wrote in one of my books called the Heretics was I was hanging out with this guy David Irving”— guest Will Storr

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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Dianetics

L. Ron Hubbard

“I ordered Dianetics in like 1994 I had just moved to LA and I thought it was a self-help book”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

Holy Hell

“there's a documentary about it called holy hell and then they moved out to Austin and he had his followers build him this theater”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

Wild Wild Country

“I was talking to my friend Todd we were talking about wow wow country and we both the same thing God in the beginning it looked awesome”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

World of Warcraft

Blizzard Entertainment

“he was obsessed with World of Warcraft so he would play World of Warcraft obsessively he got to the highest level”— guest Will Storr
BookReferenced

My Twisted World

Elliot Rodger

“he left behind a I think it's 80,000 word autobiography called my Twisted life he put it on the internet before he did his killing”— guest Will Storr

Big reveals from this episode

  • Storr's core thesis: humans want connection into groups then status, and the brain believes whatever it must to earn them, not what is true.
  • The iPhone was reportedly born from Steve Jobs's rage after a Microsoft employee taunted him at a barbecue about a stylus tablet.
  • Status is earned three ways: dominance games, virtue games, and success games; the West rose by shifting toward rewarding competence.
  • Hitler's early popularity came from restoring German status and full employment, not initial anti-Jewish ranting which he suppressed.
  • Studies on British civil servants and lab monkeys show lower status predicts far worse health, raising inflammation and death risk.
  • A sudden drop in status is a major red flag for suicidal ideation, something rarely acknowledged in depression treatment.
  • Storr says James Randi admitted to him he had lied and been dishonest about his achievements and his million-dollar challenge.
  • Storr argues you cannot strip status from a group (white working class, young men) without expecting a backlash like Trump or Andrew Tate's rise.

Worth remembering

  • The Heaven's Gate cult had rules covering exactly how much toothpaste and bathwater members could use and how to cook scrambled eggs.
  • Of roughly 8.5 billion people, only about 500 million are atheists, showing how wired humans are to adopt group beliefs.
  • Hunter S. Thompson reportedly typed out The Great Gatsby and A Farewell to Arms word-for-word to learn the masters' rhythm.
  • After 1983, American parents began naming children unusual names so kids would stand out as stars amid rising celebrity values.
  • In the UK 'progressive activists' are 13% of the population but the richest, most educated, and most active on Twitter.
  • Under the Nazis, women got swastika tattoos, a butcher made swastika sausages, and TB patients stared at Hitler photos to feel cured.
  • Lab monkeys fed identical unhealthy diets got sick based on hierarchy position; lowest-ranking monkeys reliably got sicker.
  • The Unabomber endured CIA-linked humiliation experiments at Harvard and as a baby went months without parental human touch.
  • During the satanic panic there were 190 arrests and 83 imprisonments, one conviction resting solely on a three-year-old's testimony.
  • Brand-name painkillers produce a stronger placebo effect than cheap generics even when you know it is a placebo.