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Diary of a CEO · 2021-06-07

Liam Payne Opens Up About His Darkest Moments, Failed Relationships & Entrepreneurship!

Liam Payne opens up about One Direction fame, alcoholism, suicidal ideation, therapy, fatherhood, and building a life with meaning.

Liam Payne Opens Up About His Darkest Moments, Failed Relationships & Entrepreneurship!
The guest

Liam Payne: Singer who rose to global fame in One Direction after auditioning for The X Factor at age 14; now a solo artist, entrepreneur and investor.

What this episode covers

Liam Payne sits with Stephen Bartlett to reflect candidly on being catapulted into stardom at 14 and the hidden cost of being in one of the biggest bands in the world. He speaks openly about alcoholism, severe suicidal ideation, going to therapy, and getting sober. He explores his struggles with relationships, perfectionism, masking his emotions, and never feeling allowed to grow up. He also discusses fatherhood, his investing journey, an NFT art project built around the 'forever child' of early fame, and his search for what actually makes him happy.

Recommended on this episode

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My Booky Wook

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“i love that stuff”
“i'm not i'm a really shy person when i first i'm like oh my god... my bookie wookie i love that stuff”— guest

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“then we started doing these online shows which weren't really great um with a company called veeps which was good and then i stopped working”— guest
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Stephen Bartlett

“and like that's why my book is called happy sexy millionaire because i i thought that i wrote in the first page”— Stephen Bartlett
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“it's like christian bale for example i love his acting girl like go-to... when he did the machinists and stuff like that but i like that drive”— guest
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Raya and the Last Dragon

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“it was just disney's rayo and the dragon thing it was about you you and your newfound friend and uh so we sat there”— guest
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“my first experience was with russell brand which if you've seen game to the greek or any of those other movies”— guest
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Black Mirror

“there's that great black mirror episode where that woman's going through life trying to get these likes and she's like desperate”— guest
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The Wolf of Wall Street

“the wolf wall street was in the corner over there i don't know it was wild so it's i'm excited about it”— guest

Big reveals from this episode

  • Liam admits to suicidal ideation that was 'really really really severe' and stuff he has never spoken about publicly.
  • He has been sober for just over a month at the time of recording.
  • He describes being effectively locked in hotel rooms during One Direction, leading him to have a 'party for one' with the minibar that became years of drinking.
  • At 15, two years post-X Factor, his fame had declined and a stranger shouted 'X Factor reject' at him in a McDonald's in front of the whole restaurant.
  • His first AA experience was attending an all-male meeting chaired by Russell Brand at Brand's house.
  • He confesses touring 'really really messed me up,' especially the loneliness of hotel rooms.
  • He felt relief when the band ended: 'thank lord for that... i needed to stop or it would kill me.'

Worth remembering

  • Liam was first on TV at 14, performing to an audience he estimates at around 20 million people.
  • At the time of his underwear commercial he weighed about 75 kilos, describing himself as a small, light guy.
  • A Dubai solo show drew around 110,000 people, putting him on a record list alongside Michael Jackson.
  • He was a director of what he calls a half-a-billion-dollar industry at 22 but says it mostly meant signing far more forms.
  • Before The X Factor he had secured a factory apprenticeship paying around 22,000 a year, planning to save and buy rental property.
  • His solo single 'Strip That Down' did roughly a billion streams and took nine months of work to reach number one in America.
  • As a kid his family was poor; a wealthier school friend (now a professional poker player) would buy him 20p worth of toast for breakfast.
  • He frames One Direction as 'the new wave of the Beatles' and argues no act will beat that run in their lifetimes.
  • To design his NFT dragon character he studied how mythical dragons are built from lions, snakes, crocodiles and dinosaurs.