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Diary of a CEO · 2023-05-08

Shopify President: How To Become A Millionaire For The Price Of A Starbucks Coffee! E245

Shopify's president argues entrepreneurship now costs less than a couple Starbucks coffees, and shares lessons on resilience, spiky skills, and vulnerability.

Shopify President: How To Become A Millionaire For The Price Of A Starbucks Coffee!  E245
The guest

Harley Finkelstein: President of Shopify, the e-commerce platform worth over $60 billion; former COO, self-described entrepreneur and chief storyteller

What this episode covers

Harley Finkelstein joins Steven Bartlett to make the case that entrepreneurship is more accessible than ever, with the cost of failure close to zero. He traces his path from teenage DJ to college t-shirt seller driven by family survival after his father went to jail, to becoming Shopify's first non-technical employee. He unpacks ideas like 'spiky' skill stacking over being a well-rounded 'river stone,' antifragility in companies and people, and finding mentors by vertical rather than one-size-fits-all. The conversation turns deeply personal as he discusses pandemic loneliness, the painful transition from COO to President, and learning that vulnerability is a magnet not a repellent. He closes urging listeners to commercialize a hobby and just start.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommendedISBN verified

Antifragile

Nassim Nicholas Taleb

“I love that book”
“there's a great book by Nissim tele called anti-fragile are you familiar with that I love that book”— Harley Finkelstein
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Shure SM7B

Shure

“one of the greatest pieces of engineering audio engineering ever created; This is a great microphone”
“this microphone that we're using right now is a sure sm7b and from everything I've read it is like one of the greatest pieces of engineering audio engineering ever created”— Harley Finkelstein

The guest's own work

ProductBy the guest

Fire Belly Tea

Harley Finkelstein

“we created this this little tea business called fire belly and both both those things were sort of hobbies in my life”— Harley Finkelstein

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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The Diary of a CEO Conversation Cards

The Diary of a CEO

“they're called The Diary of a SEO conversation cards we've taken all of the questions that all of our guests have left”— Steven Bartlett
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Kylie Cosmetics

Kylie Jenner

“what Kylie Jenner did with Kylie Cosmetics is nothing short of brilliant she created what she believed was a better version of makeup”— Harley Finkelstein
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Feastables

MrBeast

“What Jimmy did with like Beast burgers or with feastables he said let's create a Better Burger than I can get right now on Uber Eats”— Harley Finkelstein
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James Perse

James Perse

“there's someone who thinks about black t-shirts more than anybody else on the planet his name is James purse James purse is obsessed with black t-shirts”— Harley Finkelstein
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Gymshark

Ben Francis

“It was Ben Francis who said why is there no clothes for just regular gym people and that was how gymshark came to the world”— Harley Finkelstein
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FIGS

Heather Hasson and Trina Spear

“it was Heather and Sharina a friend of theirs was a doctor wearing these hospital scrubs that just looked like that's what figs was born”— Harley Finkelstein
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Allbirds

Tim Brown and Joey Zwillinger

“Tim and Joey and Albert saying why is there no really great sustainable sneaker that feels good that's washable that's how Alberts got started”— Harley Finkelstein

Big reveals from this episode

  • About a month into college Harley got a call that his father had been arrested and was going to jail, forcing him into survival mode that drove his entrepreneurship.
  • Harley admits he was not the right fit as Shopify's COO and that ego and insecurity made it hard to admit he wasn't the best CEO for the role.
  • He names the pandemic as his hardest personal period, describing intense loneliness, anxiety, and possible depression while living with his family.
  • He waited far too long to talk to anyone about struggling because he felt he had no right to complain given how fortunate he was.
  • On a vulnerability card he confesses 'I don't think I'm a great father' despite desperately wanting to be one.
  • He reveals he started roughly 20 companies that were total failures, including a slipper company, poker chip company, and nurse uniform company.
  • He admits he puts in around five hours memorizing data points before TV appearances and pretends success comes easily when it doesn't.

Worth remembering

  • Harley started his own DJ company at 13 and hired himself because no one would hire a DJ who looked eight years old.
  • A mentor convinced him to attend law school not to become a lawyer but to selfishly extract skills that would make him a better entrepreneur.
  • Shopify began when a German immigrant in Canada built software to sell snowboards via a store called Snow Devil, then realized the software was the real business.
  • Shopify now accounts for about 10% of all e-commerce in the United States.
  • Harley calls Supreme his 'Moby Dick' brand because their massive flash sales would stress-test and strengthen Shopify's infrastructure.
  • Harley believes company culture should not be static and should change slightly and improve with every new hire.
  • He uses mentors by vertical, choosing different people for parenting, marriage, business, and charity rather than one all-purpose mentor.
  • He schedules personal priorities like 'walk with Lindsay' and 'ski time' directly in his calendar to protect what matters.
  • Shopify operates a 'digital by design' model with optional 'bursting' office locations, requiring teams to meet in person at least once a quarter.
  • Shopify merchants have collectively sold more than half a trillion dollars, with some billion-dollar companies starting from a 'shower idea' six years ago.