Three war and intelligence experts argue World War III has already quietly begun, and walk through how a nuclear catastrophe could actually start.

Annie Jacobsen, Andrew Bustamante, and Benjamin: Annie Jacobsen is a journalist and author of seven books on war, weapons and intelligence, including 'Nuclear War: A Scenario.' Andrew Bustamante is a former clandestine CIA officer and Air Force veteran who once served in the ICBM nuclear chain of command. Benjamin is an Iranian-born author, journalist and educator who fled Iran's 1979 revolution and now teaches diplomacy and media literacy.
Steven Bartlett gathers three experts to assess whether the world is sliding into a third world war. They argue that modern conflict is less about tanks and more about proxy wars, information warfare, cyber attacks and trade/rare-earth leverage, and that the US-Iran-Israel confrontation and China-Taiwan tensions are flashpoints. A large portion explores nuclear weapons in granular detail: deterrence, tactical nukes, dirty bombs, the launch chain of command, the 'football' and 'dead hand' systems, and how close miscalculation or AI-generated misinformation could push the world to annihilation. The panel debates whether anywhere is safe in a nuclear war, the danger of AI-driven autonomous weapons, and ends on personal coping, media literacy, and Andrew's decision to leave the United States.
Annie Jacobsen
“So my most recent book is called Nuclear War, a scenario. And in that book, I take the reader from nuclear launch to nuclear winter”— Annie Jacobsen
ABC
“Ronald Reagan saw the movie The Day After, A Great Narrative, an ABC TV movie about a nuclear war, and it so upset him”— Annie Jacobsen
Lucasfilm
“this is one of the great lines from the andor show first season right oppression requires constant effort”— Benjamin
Jesse Moss and Tony Gerber
“there was a documentary film that was made on it called War Game. And what I noticed was that it comes to all this is a crisis”— Andrew Bustamante
Christopher Nolan
“It's like borrowing what what Heath Ledger said is the Joker. Some people just want to watch the world burn”— Benjamin
Nvidia
“what they found on there was that there was a Nvidia processor. Nvidia is a western company, tech company”— Benjamin